[ i mean really. after that file leak, would anyone be willing to give her the time of day? he was more curious as to her source and why her source ever though it was a good idea to use Freddie to streamline something important. ]
But you're putting too much faith in the whole caring thing. Why should we all be caring about Freddie Lounds? Well, aside from her uncouth ability to uproot the privacy of those that have been forced to adapt across omniversal prospects, of course.
[ not that he hadn't thought that Will wasn't trying to say something, but more that it was out of his scope. but this does make him curious. ]
You spent time crapping all over her own post with anyone who'd go along with you. Is that not some form of caring denoting no need for faith, it's in plain view?
[Forgive him, he's not very used to the idea of Internet trolling. Or inclined to believe it's done out of sheer boredom or just to stir shit when people are involved that clearly have some ties to each other. Tattlecrime's comment sections were...not his favorite place to be, okay? Need some holy water in those threads, stat.]
[ while he didn't care all that much about what Freddie Lounds did, but there was a difference between "it's personal" and "this is bad journalism tsk tsk." ]
It was really poorly plotted. You think it's personal? It seems that way to you.
She leaked the file of someone you apparently go to dinner with and find to be pleasurable company. It seems reasonable that it would be somewhat personal, all things considered.
[did he mention he read/listened to/followed that entire file leak disaster if it was public
[Sorry buddy he follows every single thing that Baltimore does if it's in public. And they know it. Because he's told them directly.
...seems to be a little more surprising to the non-Baltimore crowd when he reveals it but so it goes. As long as it doesn't become an actual topic of conversation it'll be A+ all right.
Did he just get a freaking non-answer, is this what it's like talking to him, too? Boo hiss. "I had thought it was obvious there was something personal behind it" or something else totally shitty is tempting but he doesn't want Kara to find out that his idea of making nice is...probably exactly as poorly done as she might have guessed.]
[Maybe this was a bust. Maybe this was a bad idea. Maybe he would have learned that his strategic word game playing isn't really that great by this point. What's the way out of this? Well, maybe it's about time to listen to the advice of confession being a good thing. Loki has, after all, already stated it's okay to be honest.]
Initially, I had thought that I might be able to get some of this supposed wonderful liquor while discussing not tearing into Freddie Lounds. Now I really want to go crawl into the whiskey bottle on the other end of the room.
[It's close enough to an honest confession, isn't it? There are lines that can be read easily. Perhaps meet up with the idea of the information presented being something juicy instead of can you not but don't make it sound like that because who wants to share booze with what could be taken as a scolding, get rid of two squirrels with one stone...basically being a sneaky, shady shit was in his plan. Because how else does one stick up for Freddie Lounds without getting down on that delightfully messy level, right?]
[ it wasn't really what he expected, but it sounds sincere nonetheless. there's an exaggerated sigh on his end and he leans his elbow forward on the desk, staring dully at the text. ]
Well, there's something to say about illegitimate info. You don't think that's burn worthy? She hasn't exactly been on par with the tabloids.
[He can't see it, but staring dully at anything to do with Will Graham isn't something he'd be surprised or insulted by. It happens frequently enough that he's just used to it at this point. People look at him in confusion, a mix of disbelief and shock, and more recently? He's gotten used to the dull look, broken record spouting the same unreasonable crap over and over, what did anyone expect to come from this conversation, why did they stop by, this is absurd, no one can help Will Graham when he won't let them, does anyone want to go for drinks, Will is doing the same shit again and it's all the excuse they need to have to take advantage of the nearest bar. Weeh weeh.
But the use of burn worthy on Loki's end has Will rubbing his face, wanting to curl up in that bottle more than he had just seconds prior. God.
...gods?]
No, I don't. And I don't think it's a great idea to tell her she hasn't been on par with the tabloids, either. That's a compliment. [Freddie isn't on par with tabloids because she's better than that basic shit, thanks Loki!] If you're referring to the "file leak" as illegitimate info, that's slightly accurate. If you mean in regards to her recent talks about the Porter, then I find that to be an inaccurate description and even less of a solid reason to "burn" anything or anyone. Skye's little broadcast hack included particular phrasing, the government doesn't know. They believe. "I have seen their files. They know no more than us." Kate Bishop's recent FAQ is similar. "Lachesis now controls the machine. Lachesis decides when we come and go. And most importantly, Lachesis is silent. She's keeping her lips zipped as far as we know. It's very frustrating, and there is a lot of red tape around it." Freddie uses words in her article that follow the same lines, that it's "possible" and "might happen" and "Sources speculate" and actually confesses that she finds confirmation in a lack of confirmation either way.
She's upset people and blinded them with their upset, but her latest article on the Porter is only different from what others have said because her name is behind it. We have some history to go on but the underlying theme in regards to the Porter and the information that imPorts have shared veers straight into territory marked with we don't know. She might not be on par with the tabloids, but she's quite on par with everyone else.
[Everyone's a bit SOL on the deets and tries with what they have, she's done the same thing! If they're gonna burn Freddie, they've got a few others to burn first. And no matter how much people might view her as a vile snake in the grass, a vulture preying on leftovers that might not be up for consumption just yet, Will is more than ready to put them all on her level. She makes that so much easier.
Though maybe no one will get burned that's not history that needs repeating, plz & thank.]
[ that's not exactly not a compliment. he's rather good at making things sound the way that he wants them to sound. he doesn't really find it necessary to get into a shot-for-shot analysis of where exactly what piece of information lead to what, or what part of what was bunk. this wasn't exactly the time for pedantry. ]
To defend her from some healthy journalistic pressure, nonetheless.
[ he's not exactly offended or sweating, but more openly curious. this is oddly telling, and there are some dots that he wouldn't mind connecting. ]
[No worries that he takes it as a compliment. He doesn't. He played most of the word-twisting games with Hannibal Lecter, if he's followed in his footsteps in anyway, it's not a compliment. Shot-for-shot analysis...well, he is a teacher. And his memory is so out of this world it's been brought up in court. Easy for him, his usual. And he's not replying to it, nope. He has nothing to say about twisting words.]
No. I would never work to prevent something healthy happening to Freddie Lounds. What she's done and the continued response is unhealthy. When people eventually dismissed the cries from the boy about the wolf, a flock was made into meal. What's healthy about setting it up so others get devoured instead of taking the opportunity and using that to everyone's advantage?
[Baltimore's views of "healthy" are twisted, too, though. Really, really twisted. And yeah, he's aware that some versions of the boy crying wolf end up with the boy getting eaten but that's getting omitted, thanks. As much as he appreciates the way everyone is eager to get on the same level with Freddie, he's not a fan of continued cannibalism wherever they may go.
Using people. Much better. Using people is healthy = dots connected!
He follows everything on any post Freddie Lounds makes no matter what it is and doesn't care to hide it. There's you again, Loki!]
The rest is easy. SIGH, come on now, why was the boy dismissed? If you'd like to hold a debate about the legitimacy of her tabloids, then we can go for coffee (on your $$$, btw). If she so wishes to post content without checking her anon sources and run off with her uncanny ability to turn everything into shock journalism, then she's up for critique, no matter how many "maybe"s and "possibly"s you'd like to throw in there to make her sound better. [ he's very self-aware of his own patterns in making some things sound more pleasing than the actually are—or more damning, for that matter. he won't deny it's part of what makes him dangerous. ]
I've been the downfall of many, but in this case I'm not the reason she'll fail, Will Graham.
[Don't do it. Don't do it, Loki, it'll just be nothing but twisting every aspect of an analogy in a more articulate version "no u" "no U!!!!" Or that's what Will's feeling at the moment, anyway. Where is the replacement Hannibal Lecter wait shit no that's a bad line of thought no no no he just got better from the last one.]
There is more room to debate how nothing that happened is actually critique than there is to debate the legitimacy of her tabloids, but I'm supposed to stay away from coffee for the time being. [no u twist words] I keep saying that there is no stopping her, no crash and burn. Honestly speaking, there is no downfall or failing of Freddie Lounds that does not stem from her death. It's good to know at least one here won't go that far.
I wouldn't say there aren't still those WILLING. [ Kara. ] I've had rather heated convos talking people out of it. YW. As for me? I don't really care, but there's no legitimizing the game of telephone in journalism.
TY. I've had a few of those conversations recently, too. If it comes up again, feel free shoot them off my way. [Conversations being a loose description, ones that didn't happen here, and as for why he'd be willing to play some sort of buffer? Uh because then he can send Freddie a text at the same time to go huddle up with the dinosaur or something duh come on Baltimore gonna take care of its own.] If you're still willing to share, sure.
[Baltimore also gonna put itself "in debt" to people they probably shouldn't when they know it. Like what's the wuorst that can happen to any of them at this point come on it's gotta be great booze. Totally worth it.]
["Enough to make all my organs rot like I drank pure battery acid, please and thanks."
No.]
As much as a mortal can stand in one sitting?
[Kara talks about goat mead and everything is wrapped up in gods if there is a god behind the wheel of the boozemobile it's likely a different, more elite kind of booze. The sort that one doesn't down in an evening if one is mortal and only wake up with a headache and unhappy stomach. Like maybe he couldn't even down half the same amount as he usually does without blacking out. Like maybe after the Achilles and Patroclus mumbo jumbo dinner from hell he shouldn't go talking to gods about their liquor ambrosia. Maybe not.
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[ i mean really. after that file leak, would anyone be willing to give her the time of day? he was more curious as to her source and why her source ever though it was a good idea to use Freddie to streamline something important. ]
But you're putting too much faith in the whole caring thing. Why should we all be caring about Freddie Lounds? Well, aside from her uncouth ability to uproot the privacy of those that have been forced to adapt across omniversal prospects, of course.
[ not that he hadn't thought that Will wasn't trying to say something, but more that it was out of his scope. but this does make him curious. ]
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...?
.....!
No, no.
........‽‽‽‽]
You spent time crapping all over her own post with anyone who'd go along with you. Is that not some form of caring denoting no need for faith, it's in plain view?
[Forgive him, he's not very used to the idea of Internet trolling. Or inclined to believe it's done out of sheer boredom or just to stir shit when people are involved that clearly have some ties to each other. Tattlecrime's comment sections were...not his favorite place to be, okay? Need some holy water in those threads, stat.]
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It was really poorly plotted. You think it's personal? It seems that way to you.
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[did he mention he read/listened to/followed that entire file leak disaster if it was public
because
he did
all of it]
Is that conclusion wrong?
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It's a fair syllogism.
[ but just that. ]
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...seems to be a little more surprising to the non-Baltimore crowd when he reveals it but so it goes. As long as it doesn't become an actual topic of conversation it'll be A+ all right.
Did he just get a freaking non-answer, is this what it's like talking to him, too? Boo hiss. "I had thought it was obvious there was something personal behind it" or something else totally shitty is tempting but he doesn't want Kara to find out that his idea of making nice is...probably exactly as poorly done as she might have guessed.]
Fair meaning neither right nor wrong?
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[ you can almost hear the dryness, despite the text. ]
Now, tell me- what do you really want?
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Initially, I had thought that I might be able to get some of this supposed wonderful liquor while discussing not tearing into Freddie Lounds. Now I really want to go crawl into the whiskey bottle on the other end of the room.
[It's close enough to an honest confession, isn't it? There are lines that can be read easily. Perhaps meet up with the idea of the information presented being something juicy instead of can you not but don't make it sound like that because who wants to share booze with what could be taken as a scolding, get rid of two squirrels with one stone...basically being a sneaky, shady shit was in his plan. Because how else does one stick up for Freddie Lounds without getting down on that delightfully messy level, right?]
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Well, there's something to say about illegitimate info. You don't think that's burn worthy? She hasn't exactly been on par with the tabloids.
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But the use of burn worthy on Loki's end has Will rubbing his face, wanting to curl up in that bottle more than he had just seconds prior. God.
...gods?]
No, I don't. And I don't think it's a great idea to tell her she hasn't been on par with the tabloids, either. That's a compliment. [Freddie isn't on par with tabloids because she's better than that basic shit, thanks Loki!] If you're referring to the "file leak" as illegitimate info, that's slightly accurate. If you mean in regards to her recent talks about the Porter, then I find that to be an inaccurate description and even less of a solid reason to "burn" anything or anyone. Skye's little broadcast hack included particular phrasing, the government doesn't know. They believe. "I have seen their files. They know no more than us." Kate Bishop's recent FAQ is similar. "Lachesis now controls the machine. Lachesis decides when we come and go. And most importantly, Lachesis is silent. She's keeping her lips zipped as far as we know. It's very frustrating, and there is a lot of red tape around it." Freddie uses words in her article that follow the same lines, that it's "possible" and "might happen" and "Sources speculate" and actually confesses that she finds confirmation in a lack of confirmation either way.
She's upset people and blinded them with their upset, but her latest article on the Porter is only different from what others have said because her name is behind it. We have some history to go on but the underlying theme in regards to the Porter and the information that imPorts have shared veers straight into territory marked with we don't know. She might not be on par with the tabloids, but she's quite on par with everyone else.
[Everyone's a bit SOL on the deets and tries with what they have, she's done the same thing! If they're gonna burn Freddie, they've got a few others to burn first. And no matter how much people might view her as a vile snake in the grass, a vulture preying on leftovers that might not be up for consumption just yet, Will is more than ready to put them all on her level. She makes that so much easier.
Though maybe no one will get burned that's not history that needs repeating, plz & thank.]
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[ that's not exactly not a compliment. he's rather good at making things sound the way that he wants them to sound. he doesn't really find it necessary to get into a shot-for-shot analysis of where exactly what piece of information lead to what, or what part of what was bunk. this wasn't exactly the time for pedantry. ]
To defend her from some healthy journalistic pressure, nonetheless.
[ he's not exactly offended or sweating, but more openly curious. this is oddly telling, and there are some dots that he wouldn't mind connecting. ]
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No. I would never work to prevent something healthy happening to Freddie Lounds. What she's done and the continued response is unhealthy.
When people eventually dismissed the cries from the boy about the wolf, a flock was made into meal.
What's healthy about setting it up so others get devoured instead of taking the opportunity and using that to everyone's advantage?
[Baltimore's views of "healthy" are twisted, too, though. Really, really twisted. And yeah, he's aware that some versions of the boy crying wolf end up with the boy getting eaten but that's getting omitted, thanks. As much as he appreciates the way everyone is eager to get on the same level with Freddie, he's not a fan of continued cannibalism wherever they may go.
Using people. Much better. Using people is healthy = dots connected!
He follows everything on any post Freddie Lounds makes no matter what it is and doesn't care to hide it. There's you again, Loki!]
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The rest is easy. SIGH, come on now, why was the boy dismissed? If you'd like to hold a debate about the legitimacy of her tabloids, then we can go for coffee (on your $$$, btw). If she so wishes to post content without checking her anon sources and run off with her uncanny ability to turn everything into shock journalism, then she's up for critique, no matter how many "maybe"s and "possibly"s you'd like to throw in there to make her sound better. [ he's very self-aware of his own patterns in making some things sound more pleasing than the actually are—or more damning, for that matter. he won't deny it's part of what makes him dangerous. ]
I've been the downfall of many, but in this case I'm not the reason she'll fail, Will Graham.
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There is more room to debate how nothing that happened is actually critique than there is to debate the legitimacy of her tabloids, but I'm supposed to stay away from coffee for the time being. [no u twist words] I keep saying that there is no stopping her, no crash and burn. Honestly speaking, there is no downfall or failing of Freddie Lounds that does not stem from her death. It's good to know at least one here won't go that far.
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Did you still want that booze?
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TY. I've had a few of those conversations recently, too. If it comes up again, feel free shoot them off my way. [Conversations being a loose description, ones that didn't happen here, and as for why he'd be willing to play some sort of buffer? Uh because then he can send Freddie a text at the same time to go huddle up with the dinosaur or something duh come on Baltimore gonna take care of its own.] If you're still willing to share, sure.
[Baltimore also gonna put itself "in debt" to people they probably shouldn't when they know it. Like what's the w
uorst that can happen to any of them at this point come on it's gotta be great booze. Totally worth it.]no subject
[ and that much was definitely true. people not suffering was decently and unintentionally high on his priorities list. ]
No personal offense taken. After all, sharing is caring- as long as there's the right amount of coin involved.
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Just gotta figure out what it is.]
And what's your right amount of coin?
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No.]
As much as a mortal can stand in one sitting?
[Kara talks about goat mead and everything is wrapped up in gods if there is a god behind the wheel of the boozemobile it's likely a different, more elite kind of booze. The sort that one doesn't down in an evening if one is mortal and only wake up with a headache and unhappy stomach. Like maybe he couldn't even down half the same amount as he usually does without blacking out. Like maybe after the Achilles and Patroclus mumbo jumbo dinner from hell he shouldn't go talking to gods about their liquor ambrosia. Maybe not.
But god booze tho.]